Legislature(1995 - 1996)

01/27/1995 01:30 PM House FIN

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                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                        January 27, 1995                                       
                            1:30 P.M.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE HFC 95-9, Side 1, #000 - end.                                           
  TAPE HFC 95-9, Side 2, #000 - end.                                           
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Mark Hanley  called  the  House Finance  Committee                 
  meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Kohring                         
  Co-Chair Foster               Representative Martin                          
  Representative Mulder         Representative Navarre                         
  Representative Brown                                                         
                                                                               
  Representatives Parnell, Grussendorf,  Therriault and  Kelly                 
  were absent from the meeting.                                                
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  John Shively, Commissioner, Department of Natural Resources;                 
  Natural  Resources;  Nico  Bus,  Director, Support  Services                 
  Division, Department  of Natural  Resources; Wilson  Condon,                 
  Commissioner, Department of  Revenue; Bob Baratko, Director,                 
  Division of Administrative Services,  Department of Revenue;                 
  Tom  Boutin, Division  of  Forestry, Department  of  Natural                 
  Resources; Ken Boyd, Deputy Director, Division of Mining and                 
  Water  Management,  Department of  Natural  Resources; Jerry                 
  Brossia, Director, State Pipeline Coordinator's Office/Joint                 
  Pipeline   Office;  John   Cramer,  Director,   Division  of                 
  Agriculture;   Marty   Rutherford,    Acting   Commissioner,                 
  Department of Natural Resources; Jules Tileston, Division of                 
  Mining   and  Water   Management,   Department  of   Natural                 
  Resources;  Ron   Swanson,  Director,   Division  of   Land,                 
  Department  of  Natural  Resources;  Deborah  Vogt,   Deputy                 
  Commissioner, Department of Revenue.                                         
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  AGENCY OVERVIEWS:                                                            
                                                                               
       Department of Natural Resources                                         
       Department of Revenue                                                   
                                                                               
  (Copies of meeting tapes  and handouts are on file  with the                 
  Legislative Finance Division.  Contact #465-3795).                           
                                                                               
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  DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                              
                                                                               
  Log #     Discussion                                                         
                                                                               
  005       NICO  BUS,  ACTING   DIRECTOR,  SUPPORT   SERVICES                 
            DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL  RESOURCES noted                 
            that  the  Acting  Commissioner  and  other  staff                 
            members  would  testify  via   the  teleconference                 
            network from Anchorage.                                            
                                                                               
  079       MARTY RUTHERFORD, ACTING  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT                 
            OF   NATURAL   RESOURCES    testified   via    the                 
            teleconference  network  from   Anchorage.     She                 
            introduced staff.                                                  
                                                                               
  098       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford  briefly reviewed                 
            functions of the Department.  She commented on the                 
            responsibility   of   each  of   the  department's                 
            divisions.                                                         
                                                                               
  103       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford  noted  that  the                 
            Division of Oil  and Gas develops and  manages the                 
            State's  oil  and  gas   leasing  programs.    The                 
            Division identifies prospective lease  areas.  The                 
            Division   also   performs   geologic,   economic,                 
            environmental and social analysis and develops and                 
            conducts hearings  on proposed  five year  leasing                 
            schedules and sales.                                               
                                                                               
  120       Acting Commissioner Rutherford  observed that  the                 
            Division of Lands  is the  primary manager of  the                 
            State's land  holdings.   The Division  issues and                 
            maintains  land  sales and  contracts,  and leases                 
            state  land  for   recreational,  commercial   and                 
            industrial use.   The Division is also responsible                 
            for  stewardship   of  land   retained  in   state                 
            ownership for legislatively designated public use.                 
                                                                               
  135       Acting Commissioner Rutherford reviewed  the State                 
            Pipeline Coordinator - Joint Pipeline Office.  She                 
            noted   that   this   office   monitors   pipeline                 
            activities  for  compliance with  the right-of-way                 
            grant,  permit terms and  conditions.   The Office                 
            also   monitors    compliance   with    applicable                 
            regulations for other agencies.                                    
                                                                               
  144       Acting Commissioner Rutherford  observed that  the                 
            Division  of  Forestry   provides  wildland   fire                 
            management  and  suppression; enforces  the Forest                 
            Resources  and Practices  Act; and  manages forest                 
            land.    She noted  that  the Division  employs 73                 
                                                                               
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            emergency fire fighter crews of 16 persons each.                   
                                                                               
  161       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford  stated that  the                 
            Division of Parks and  Outdoor Recreation develops                 
            and manages the  state park  system, which is  the                 
            nation's largest.  It operates more than 133 parks                 
            which receive  nearly 6  million visits  annually.                 
            She  noted   visitor  programs  operated   by  the                 
            Department.                                                        
                                                                               
  173       Acting   Commissioner   Rutherford   reviewed  the                 
            Division  of  Geological and  Geophysical Surveys.                 
            She observed that the Division is primarily housed                 
            in Fairbanks.  The Division disseminates  geologic                 
            data  and  information   pertaining  to   Alaska's                 
            subsurface estate of minerals, coal, oil  and gas,                 
            construction  materials,  and  geothermal  energy.                 
            The  Division  also   publishes  its  findings  in                 
            technical  reports  and  maps.    She  noted  that                 
            educators, the government, and public and  private                 
            industry use information compiled by the Division.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  197       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford  noted  that  the                 
            Division of Mining and Water  Management is in the                 
            process of  combining  management  of  mining  and                 
            water  resources.   She  added  that the  Division                 
            maintains  mining  and  coal  leases; and  manages                 
            state water resources.   She further reviewed  the                 
            Division's functions.  She noted that the Division                 
            attempts  to  lessen  litigation  associated  with                 
            state navigable waters.                                            
                                                                               
  230       Acting  Commissioner   Rutherford  discussed   the                 
            responsibilities of the  Division of  Agriculture.                 
            She noted  that the  Division supports the  Alaska                 
            agricultural    community    through    marketing,                 
            technical  assistance,  education,  inspection and                 
            financing.                                                         
                                                                               
  259       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford  stated that  the                 
            Support Services Division includes  the Director's                 
            Office, Recorder's Office, Land Record Information                 
            System and the  Department's Information  Resource                 
            Management System.                                                 
                                                                               
  270       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford  added  that  the                 
            Department   provides   staff   support  for   the                 
            Citizen's  Advisory  Commission on  Federal Areas.                 
            She observed  that staff  also supports the  Exxon                 
            Valdez  Trustee Council.   The Department  has two                 
            positions associated with  the Mental Health  Land                 
                                                                               
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            Trust Office.                                                      
                                                                               
  292       Acting Commissioner Rutherford emphasized that the                 
            Department  has  completed   the  statehood   land                 
            entitlement selection process.  She noted that the                 
            mental health trust issue has  been resolved.  She                 
            stressed  the  role  the   Department  of  Natural                 
            Resources has played in these issues.                              
                                                                               
  301       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford  stated that  the                 
            Department hopes to  stimulate revenue  generation                 
            and  jobs  by   working  with  industry.       The                 
            Department will  submit a  five year  oil and  gas                 
            lease plan.                                                        
                                                                               
  341       Acting Commissioner Rutherford  observed that  the                 
            Department  has made  progress  in addressing  the                 
            adjudication backlog.                                              
                                                                               
  349       Acting Commissioner Rutherford discussed municipal                 
            entitlements.  She  noted that the Department  has                 
            not  been  able   to  meet  all  the   demands  by                 
            municipalities.    Municipalities  have  requested                 
            approximately 650,000  acres.  She noted  that the                 
            Department will continue to  prioritize the effort                 
            to address municipal entitlements.                                 
                                                                               
  353       Acting Commissioner Rutherford suggested  that the                 
            institution of  day park fees has been successful.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  360       Acting Commissioner Rutherford  stressed that  the                 
            Department  will be  looking  at opportunities  to                 
            consolidate government and privatize functions.                    
                                                                               
  372       Co-Chair Hanley asked if  there is duplication  or                 
            overlap with  the  Department of  Revenue, in  the                 
            Department of Natural Resources royalty function.                  
                                                                               
  380       KEN  BOYD, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF OIL  AND                 
            GAS, DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES testified via                 
            the  teleconference network  from  Anchorage.   He                 
            replied  that  there  is  some  duplication.    He                 
            emphasized that  the overlap  provides checks  and                 
            balances.    The  emphasis of  the  Department  of                 
            Natural Resources is royalty, while the Department                 
            of Revenue addresses tax issues.                                   
                                                                               
  390       Co-Chair Foster noted  complaints by  constituents                 
            in   regards   to  bureaucratic   requirements  of                 
            regulations for small scale miners.                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  419       JULES  TILESTON,  DIVISION  OF  MINING  AND  WATER                 
            MANAGEMENT,   DEPARTMENT   OF   NATURAL  RESOURCES                 
            testified  via  the  teleconference  network  from                 
            Anchorage.   He  stressed  that the  Department is                 
            working on a multi-year permit to lessen the paper                 
            work burden placed on miners.                                      
                                                                               
  428       Representative Martin questioned  the increase  in                 
            funding for the Division of Agriculture.                           
                                                                               
  431       JOHN  CRAMER,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF AGRICULTURE,                 
            DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL  RESOURCES testified via the                 
            teleconference   network   from  Anchorage.     He                 
            explained that  the Division  is facilitating  the                 
            needs of private citizens for farmland.                            
                                                                               
  468       Mr. Bus explained,  in response  to a question  by                 
            Representative   Martin,   that   the   Department                 
            receives reimbursement  of 470  Fund dollars  from                 
            the Department of Environmental Conservation.                      
                                                                               
  480       Representative Kelly referred to  the Department's                 
            role as a  petroleum advocate.   He questioned  if                 
            there  is   a  duplication  of  effort   with  the                 
            Department of Commerce and Economic Development.                   
                                                                               
  491       Mr. Boyd emphasized that the Department of Natural                 
            Resources functions as a technical advocate.                       
                                                                               
  525       Representative Kelly inquired into the possibility                 
            of  housing   the  Division   of  Geological   and                 
            Geophysical Survey with the  Geophysical Institute                 
            at the University of Alaska.                                       
                                                                               
  549       Acting  Commissioner  Rutherford replied  that the                 
            possibility will be researched.                                    
                                                                               
  567       Representative Mulder referred to SB 308 which was                 
            passed  in  the   previous  legislative   session.                 
            Acting     Commissioner     Rutherford    reviewed                 
            implementation of SB 308.                                          
                                                                               
  574       Representative    Mulder     asked    what     the                 
            Administration  is   doing  to  help   the  timber                 
            industry in Southeast Alaska.                                      
                                                                               
  581       TOM BOUTIN, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF FORESTRY,                 
            DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL  RESOURCES testified via the                 
            teleconference network from  Anchorage.  He  noted                 
            that discussion has taken place  in regards to the                 
            effects of Habitat Conservation Areas on long term                 
            timber contracts.                                                  
                                                                               
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  590       Representative Kohring questioned  the feasibility                 
            of land disposal as a revenue source.                              
                                                                               
  609       RON   SWANSON,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF   LANDS,                 
            DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL  RESOURCES testified via the                 
            teleconference network from  Anchorage.  He  noted                 
            that the  state's land disposal program was active                 
            in the  1980's.   He observed  that some  programs                 
            were successful and some were disastrous.                          
                                                                               
  619       Mr. Swanson noted  that the  State plans to  offer                 
            approximately 500 parcels of land  for sale in the                 
            summer of 1995.                                                    
                                                                               
  622       Co-Chair Foster  noted that  the oldest  Recording                 
            Office  is  located  in Nome.    He  expressed the                 
            desire   to  keep   the   Nome  Recording   Office                 
            operating.                                                         
                                                                               
  639       Representative Brown pointed out that  much of the                 
            land  available for  sale  by  the  Department  of                 
            Natural Resources is not located in  settled areas                 
            and  would  require  additional   state  services.                 
            Acting   Commissioner   Rutherford   agreed   with                 
            comments by Representative Brown.  She  emphasized                 
            that the majority  of parcels will be for  sale in                 
            existing subdivisions.                                             
                                                                               
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  DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                        
                                                                               
  020       WILSON CONDON, COMMISSIONER  DESIGNATE, DEPARTMENT                 
            OF REVENUE summarized the  Department's functions.                 
            He  noted  that   the  Department  contains  seven                 
            divisions and serves  several boards,  commissions                 
            and corporations.  He  noted that the Department's                 
            divisions  raise and  collect revenue,  manage the                 
            state's  financial  assets,  provide  services  to                 
            citizens, and regulate conduct.                                    
                                                                               
  128       Commissioner  Designate  Condon  provided  members                 
            with   a   handout   detailing  the   Department's                 
            Divisions (copy on file).  He briefly reviewed the                 
            divisions within the Department.                                   
                                                                               
  172       Commissioner  Designate  Condon  noted   that  the                 
            Department  contains  a   Administrative  Services                 
            Division which  provides  services  to  the  other                 
            divisions, corporations and agencies.                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  202       Commissioner  Designate  Condon observed  that the                 
            Permanent Fund Corporation has a staff  of twenty-                 
            seven.  The Alcoholic Beverage Control Board has a                 
            staff of  nine.   The  Municipal Bond  Bank has  a                 
            staff  of   two.    The  Alaska   Housing  Finance                 
            Corporation   has   three  hundred   and  nineteen                 
            positions.  The Mental Health  Trust Authority has                 
            eleven staff positions.                                            
                                                                               
  219       Representative Foster noted the lack of inspectors                 
            for   the   Alcoholic   Beverage  Control   Board.                 
            Commissioner Designate Condon  noted that there is                 
            only one  inspector for the State of  Alaska.  Co-                 
            Chair  Foster  confirmed that  there  is  only one                 
            inspector to review 1,800 establishments.                          
                                                                               
  321       Co-Chair   Foster  noted   the   high  amount   of                 
            uncollected child support.  Commissioner Designate                 
            Condon estimated  the uncollected  amount at  $302                 
            million dollars.                                                   
  257       Representative Martin referred  to the  Department                 
            of  Revenue's  Resource  Book.     He  accentuated                 
            combining oversight functions.                                     
                                                                               
  263       Representative Martin detailed  increases proposed                 
            in Governor Hickel's FY 95 proposed budget.                        
                                                                               
  280       Representative Martin expressed  concern that  the                 
            gaming industry is out of control.                                 
                                                                               
  302       Commissioner     Designate     Condon      assured                 
            Representative Martin that the Department would do                 
            the   best  job   possible  in   implementing  the                 
            legislature's policies and directives.                             
                                                                               
  337       Co-Chair  Hanley observed  that the  Child Support                 
            Enforcement  Division  has received  federal funds                 
            for additional positions.                                          
                                                                               
  341       BOB BARATKO, DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OD ADMINISTRATIVE                 
            SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE  stated that  the                 
            Department  issued  a  request for  proposals  for                 
            industry to prepare a five year plan for the Child                 
            Support Enforcement Division.  He noted that there                 
            were no respondents.                                               
                                                                               
  346       Co-Chair Hanley pointed out that welfare reform is                 
            a legislative priority.  He emphasized the need to                 
            increase collection on child support.                              
                                                                               
  372       Co-Chair Foster noted the cost of  alcohol related                 
            services.                                                          
                                                                               
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  381       Co-Chair Hanley  observed that  the Department  of                 
            Law and  the Department  of Revenue  are currently                 
            acting  under  a  Memorandum  of Understanding  in                 
            regards to negotiations.  He asked if Commissioner                 
            Designate   Condon   anticipated   a    shift   of                 
            responsibilities  in   regards  to   negotiations.                 
            Commissioner  Designate  Condon  stated  that  the                 
            division of responsibilities will be examined.                     
                                                                               
  401       Commissioner   Designate   Condon   stressed  that                 
            duplication of  effort in  regards to  royalty and                 
            severance tax collection  is minimal.  He  did not                 
            believe the two should be  combined.  He discussed                 
            differences between  taxing and the  imposition of                 
            royalty obligations.                                               
                                                                               
  443       Co-Chair    Hanley    expressed    concern    that                 
            department's not be placed in  a position to fight                 
            over their areas of responsibility.                                
                                                                               
  451       Representative Brown noted that  the Department of                 
            Revenue audits royalty collections.   Commissioner                 
            Designate Condon  observed that the  Department of                 
            Natural Resources  makes the policy  and sets  the                 
            standards.  Auditing is down  by the Department of                 
            Natural  Resources.   Accounting  is  done by  the                 
            Department  of  Natural  Resources.   Commissioner                 
            Designate Condon and  Representative Brown  agreed                 
            that  the  division  of   responsibilities  should                 
            remain the same.                                                   
                                                                               
  469       Representative Martin expressed  concern with  the                 
            cost of litigation.                                                
                                                                               
  483       Co-Chair Hanley noted  that Representative  Martin                 
            will  head the House  Finance Subcommittee for the                 
            Department of Revenue.                                             
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting adjourned at 2:15 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
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